tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8385392963347857134.post2786057965396078197..comments2023-10-23T09:51:37.441-05:00Comments on Blog of Pro-Porn Activism: Lesson for the Day: Never comment about a blog war unless you're prepared to become the focus of itRenegade Evolutionhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17905949172886730262noreply@blogger.comBlogger12125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8385392963347857134.post-86788310041373011822008-08-12T12:07:00.000-05:002008-08-12T12:07:00.000-05:00To close this up, I've got to say thanks to Trinit...To close this up, I've got to say thanks to Trinity for trying to semi-moderate this blowup. Your efforts are appreciated here.iacbhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08267608319896053702noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8385392963347857134.post-86735135357818907782008-08-11T16:58:00.000-05:002008-08-11T16:58:00.000-05:00I meant as you had acknowledged in your post, not ...I meant as you had acknowledged in your post, not that you had personally said it. <BR/><BR/>Lucky I checked back, huh?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8385392963347857134.post-44245312488983200712008-08-11T16:21:00.000-05:002008-08-11T16:21:00.000-05:00FWIW, as much as I think you were not being wise p...FWIW, as much as I think you were not being wise posting this, IACB, I can't figure out where you supposedly made the "frigid bitch" claim, either.Trinityhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06846032433424879965noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8385392963347857134.post-36442675595629154542008-08-11T15:37:00.000-05:002008-08-11T15:37:00.000-05:00caroline shepherd said""I'm defending myself again...<B>caroline shepherd said</B>"<BR/><BR/><I>"I'm defending myself against claims....that, as you've said, I'm a fridgid bitch... "</I><BR/><BR/>WHAT? THE? FUCK?<BR/><BR/>We are clearly not even having the same conversation.iacbhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08267608319896053702noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8385392963347857134.post-59024465640548372312008-08-11T14:04:00.000-05:002008-08-11T14:04:00.000-05:00"This goes back to square one with Caroline, who f..."This goes back to square one with Caroline, who from the first moment I said I respectfully disagreed with her, kept responding with an increasingly angrier series of "What do you MEAN you disagree with me!" statements."<BR/><BR/>Jesus, I wish I hadn't seen that. No, I'm not so arrogant that I can't believe for a second that someone would disagree with me as you're implying, I didn't get why you "disagreed" because the only bloody argument I produced in that post was how one's privilege and prejudice can shape your view of porn. I very clearly acknowledged that my problem with the picture was entirely personal, the very point of the post was to show how judging things on bad experiences leads to unfair conclusions. <BR/><BR/>Jesus, I really wish you'd bow out now. I know that won't stop you and nor should it really, but my God. I really don't want to read anymore. I will if I have to, but I'm defending myself against claims that I'm jealous of young women, that I think the two models are ugly, that, as you've said, I'm a fridgid bitch... <BR/><BR/>I'm not going to comment or check in again, there has been way too much nastiness, I've not said 95% of the stuff I've been accused of saying, so I really can't be nice about this right now cos I am fed the fuck up with it. If it's sparked discussion on various things then that's great, but that some of these discussions are in my name when I haven't even said most of the stuff is really fucking pissing me off now.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8385392963347857134.post-1653204906984705532008-08-11T14:00:00.000-05:002008-08-11T14:00:00.000-05:00I'm planning to do a post on the topic of youth se...I'm planning to do a post on the topic of youth sexuality soon, just haven't had time/energy yet.Amber Rheahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02109708537597646450noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8385392963347857134.post-16470040553673355282008-08-11T13:59:00.000-05:002008-08-11T13:59:00.000-05:00The person I've actually spoken at length to about...The person I've actually spoken at length to about this was 13-ish. The others are people whose stories I've read, so I know less about them.Trinityhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06846032433424879965noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8385392963347857134.post-5999256199514923922008-08-11T13:23:00.000-05:002008-08-11T13:23:00.000-05:00Oh yeah, on Judith Levine's "Harmful to Minors", y...Oh yeah, on Judith Levine's "Harmful to Minors", yeah, I highly recommend it. Judith Levine is kind of a fairly little-known author who's written on everything from misandry, to child/youth sexuality, to consumerism, and I've never seen her not be really nuanced and insightful about anything she's written about.iacbhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08267608319896053702noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8385392963347857134.post-61898097950992760052008-08-11T13:16:00.000-05:002008-08-11T13:16:00.000-05:00"I've known and read about a small number people w...<I>"I've known and read about a small number people who've had sexual experiences as kids who claim it didn't mess them up."</I><BR/><BR/>By "kids", I'm presuming you mean pre-pubescent children?iacbhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08267608319896053702noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8385392963347857134.post-17689389777593763292008-08-11T12:50:00.000-05:002008-08-11T12:50:00.000-05:00"In general, I'm reminded of the ration of shit Ju..."In general, I'm reminded of the ration of shit Judith Levine got about her book Harmful to Minors a few years back, and I'm not surprised that most sex-pozzes don't want to deal with the topic with a 10-foot pole. Which is too bad, because it is an issue in need of some nuanced, intelligent discussion, which is clearly not what's taking place here."<BR/><BR/>I still need to read that.<BR/><BR/>I've known and read about a small number people who've had sexual experiences as kids who claim it didn't mess them up. I don't know what I think exactly, but I do think that not listening to their stories does them a disservice. Yes, they COULD be in denial, but I think one has to listen to their stories to even begin to be able to decide if they are or not.<BR/><BR/>And unfortunately even doing that listening is, in the current society, loaded.Trinityhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06846032433424879965noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8385392963347857134.post-46764096829413281892008-08-11T11:53:00.000-05:002008-08-11T11:53:00.000-05:00"I actually think you should bow out of this, IACB...<I>"I actually think you should bow out of this, IACB. People are reacting to what you say in a way that just isn't conducive to their responding in any constructive way."</I><BR/><BR/>Well, you're kind of right about that. I think all through this there have been a lot of people who have been insisting on interpreting everything I say in the worst possible light. This goes back to square one with Caroline, who from the first moment I said I respectfully disagreed with her, kept responding with an increasingly angrier series of "What do you MEAN you disagree with me!" statements. I guess the best way to respond to something like that is to not respond.<BR/><BR/><I>"And that strikes me funny because, well, many people, like me, choose not to be parents. And if what's being hinted at in the comments are right, then that means that, for better or for worse, a lot of us are going to float through life with sexual fantasies that we wouldn't have if we lived like you, but we don't, and more importantly WE CHOOSE NOT TO and OUR BODIES BELONG TO US.<BR/><BR/>So we exist, and if we exist, some of us consume erotic media, and if it all must be made with parents' suddenly-new sensibilities in mind, well, I've no idea what to say, then."</I><BR/><BR/>What you said.<BR/><BR/><BR/>In general, I'm reminded of the ration of shit Judith Levine got about her book <A HREF="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harmful_to_Minors" REL="nofollow"><I>Harmful to Minors</I></A> a few years back, and I'm not surprised that most sex-pozzes don't want to deal with the topic with a 10-foot pole. Which is too bad, because it is an issue in need of some nuanced, intelligent discussion, which is clearly not what's taking place here.<BR/><BR/>And much of this, in any event, is getting way beyond the scope of this blog. Though posting and commenting about the controversy in a general way – it was a blogosphere argument about porn, after all – is certainly very much on topic.iacbhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08267608319896053702noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8385392963347857134.post-27845541117114065012008-08-11T10:37:00.000-05:002008-08-11T10:37:00.000-05:00I actually think you should bow out of this, IACB....I actually think you should bow out of this, IACB. People are reacting to what you say in a way that just isn't conducive to their responding in any constructive way. <BR/><BR/>The more you defend yourself here, the more you're going to look like a pedo to the people who are already squicked by your mention of your personal life. <BR/><BR/>I don't have an opinion one way or the other of your relationships, as I wasn't there. I don't want to have an opinion.<BR/><BR/>But the more you talk about it in a personal way, the worse this is going to get.<BR/><BR/>I'd like to continue the conversation of what it means to find that image either pretty or erotic or both, but I'm not going to do it here. I think the personal stuff is really quite unproductive.<BR/><BR/>(IMO, that goes for the "but I'm/he's a parent!" thing too, though -- yeah, it makes sense. But what are those of us who are not parents supposed to do, then? Bow out because we're missing the life experience that would tell us how we REALLY ought to feel? If that's the connotation -- and while no one flat out said it, that's the feeling I'm getting -- then no conversation can be had, at all. And that strikes me funny because, well, many people, like me, choose not to be parents. And if what's being hinted at in the comments are right, then that means that, for better or for worse, a lot of us are going to float through life with sexual fantasies that we wouldn't have if we lived like you, but we don't, and more importantly WE CHOOSE NOT TO and OUR BODIES BELONG TO US.<BR/><BR/>So we exist, and if we exist, some of us consume erotic media, and if it all must be made with parents' suddenly-new sensibilities in mind, well, I've no idea what to say, then.)Trinityhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06846032433424879965noreply@blogger.com