tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8385392963347857134.post2953321759145806057..comments2023-10-23T09:51:37.441-05:00Comments on Blog of Pro-Porn Activism: The Hacking of nina.comRenegade Evolutionhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17905949172886730262noreply@blogger.comBlogger43125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8385392963347857134.post-5240940856662510332008-05-28T23:30:00.000-05:002008-05-28T23:30:00.000-05:00Thanks Elicco,We miss the forums too. I don't know...Thanks Elicco,<BR/><BR/>We miss the forums too. I don't know what to say other than that we're working on the problem. I do think a separate but linked discussion site might be in the offing, but I can't say when. We're still not recovered enough to start up anything new and won't be for a bit. <BR/><BR/>Please be patient. We'll make it happen if we can.Ernest Greenehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14371385468484866133noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8385392963347857134.post-44850841875039897982008-05-28T07:01:00.000-05:002008-05-28T07:01:00.000-05:00Ernest and Nina.I can't blame you for shutting it ...Ernest and Nina.<BR/><BR/>I can't blame you for shutting it down. I was shocked when it happened. I want to thank you two for having a forum that answered some questions I had and others I didn't know I had until I went to the forum. It was a good time and one of the few sites on the net that had no bickering that I noticed. <BR/>You and Nina have been great and I again am sorry that this happened. Hackers puzzle me. The thrill they get out of something like this. <BR/>Will watch for Nina and your ventures in the future. Good luck from Elicco.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8385392963347857134.post-51115365287970156332008-05-25T15:56:00.000-05:002008-05-25T15:56:00.000-05:00Hi Drar,Great to hear from you, even under such sa...Hi Drar,<BR/><BR/>Great to hear from you, even under such sad circumstances. Nina and I miss you too. You were among the forums' greatest assets.<BR/><BR/>Rest assured, we are working on a solution that will allow for the creation of some kind of open forum on a related, linked site. We haven't figured it out yet, but we will eventually.<BR/><BR/>Meantime,. know that you and our other good friends from the old forums are in are thoughts and that we hope to be in contact again soon.Ernest Greenehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14371385468484866133noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8385392963347857134.post-63712681952108617912008-05-24T23:04:00.000-05:002008-05-24T23:04:00.000-05:00Drar:Thanks for dropping by, and for your well wis...Drar:<BR/><BR/>Thanks for dropping by, and for your well wishes.<BR/><BR/>For the rest of you who don't know: Drar was a regular at the Nina(dot)com forums; a pretty conservative/libertarian fellow who would get into some....shall we say, spirited debates with me and Ernest on various issues. He's one of the reasons why the old forums will be greatly missed.<BR/><BR/>I only wish that some of the other regulars he cited (like Joe, Triv, and a few others) would read this blog. I'm sure that me and Sheldon will be sending out the wishes as soon as I can find them.<BR/><BR/><BR/>AnthonyAnthony Kennersonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00103420620416144653noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8385392963347857134.post-92096726436093572462008-05-24T22:17:00.000-05:002008-05-24T22:17:00.000-05:00Drar here--I'm going to miss the forums. I'll mis...Drar here--<BR/><BR/>I'm going to miss the forums. I'll miss Ernest changing my mind for me, I'll miss Nina asking how my little girl is doing, I'll miss flirting with triv, I'll even miss going to war with Anthony over our little disagreements. In fact, checking the forums at nina.com was part of my everyday routine. Alas, that part of my routine is no more.<BR/><BR/>Despite how much I do and will miss said forums, I completely support the decisions made by Ernest and Nina and I'm happy to see the main website back up.<BR/><BR/>As for our friends who caused this mess, I have this to say - there is a special place in hell for you. I do not believe that any superior deity would condone such willful destruction of private property and such malice. With attitudes like yours running rampant - the attitude that anyone who disagrees with you should be cast down - we will not see peace on this Earth in our lifetimes.<BR/><BR/>Sad but true.<BR/><BR/>And to Nina - I know this caused a few tears in your eyes and for that I truly am sorry. Know that you have friends in this world - those of us who care for you. Keep your chin up. <BR/><BR/>Ernest, triv, Anthony, sheldon, joe, and all the rest - I miss you guys. I hope something is set up that allows us to communicate again soon. <BR/><BR/>DrarAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8385392963347857134.post-54135110667575746682008-05-20T17:21:00.000-05:002008-05-20T17:21:00.000-05:00Natalia:Thanks for your support and for your excel...Natalia:<BR/><BR/>Thanks for your support and for your excellent commentary. It's especially relevant from the perspective of someone who actually lives in a part of the world much denounced and little understood over here.<BR/><BR/>And you pinned the Ace gang right where they live. No, they didn't hack us. They've merely spent the past few days slinging sickening personal insults at us. Gee, I guess that makes them ever so morally superior to the Islamic eight-balls who put us off-line. If they did a Google search on the hacker's names, so proudly posted on the page they hoisted over our domain, they'd find these creeps all over Turkish MSM calling us the same names Ace's posters lobbed at us from the safety of their own cyber-anonymity. But they have nothing in common with one another. No, nothing at all.<BR/><BR/>If I had the time, I'd dig back through our forum archives to find the post I deleted (but of course kept in the banned file) from the "porn-hating, gun-loving Christian" who made a thinly-veiled threat to seek us out and put his familiarity with firearms to good use. <BR/><BR/>But of course, I must have just made that up because only Muslims would do that sort of thing, right?<BR/><BR/>And river, somebody ought to tell you that one-word put-downs are pretty weak counter-arguments to well-reasoned, well-observed posts by people with actual, first-hand knowledge of a topic. But then, I doubt that realities contrary to your skewed opinions have much impact on the way you think, judging from what you've put up here so far.Ernest Greenehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14371385468484866133noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8385392963347857134.post-52466283695933416582008-05-20T17:16:00.000-05:002008-05-20T17:16:00.000-05:00"Oh, and BTW, I went over to your buddy Ace's site..."Oh, and BTW, I went over to your buddy Ace's site and read the comments following his post.<BR/><BR/>Lot's of ugly and foul smack about my wife's age and how she makes her living. <BR/><BR/>Gee, you guys are the very incarnation of Christian love. How wonderful it must feel to bask in your ineffable superiority each day."<BR/><BR/>Ace of Spades, isn't a Christian website, you brainwashed liberal dupe. It's a political blog. I know, you liberal dupes can't make the distinction....Curmudgeonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15661439180567980601noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8385392963347857134.post-15274518034884950612008-05-20T15:41:00.000-05:002008-05-20T15:41:00.000-05:00"natalia: weak."Care to explain why? I know that c...<I>"natalia: weak."</I><BR/><BR/>Care to explain why? I know that calls for a higher level of discussion than is typical on AOS HQ, but maybe you might be up to it.iacbhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08267608319896053702noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8385392963347857134.post-26128290374350283452008-05-20T15:00:00.000-05:002008-05-20T15:00:00.000-05:00natalia: weak.natalia: weak.Ephrem Antony Grayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00032465992619034619noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8385392963347857134.post-18801245495475001722008-05-20T08:38:00.000-05:002008-05-20T08:38:00.000-05:00The commenters on Aces are about as "libertarian" ...The commenters on Aces are about as "libertarian" as John Hagee. Judging by their disgust/fascination with Nina, I'd say that they're basically parroting fundamentalist tradition (which is equal parts terror and fascination with sex) without even realizing it. <BR/><BR/>I'm a non-Muslim presently living in a Muslim country, and I'd say there's a fairly regular mix of crazies, moderates, and people generally living secular lifestyles. I'm not surprised to see Muslim hackers attack Nina.com, just as I am not surprised that Christians have tried it before. <BR/><BR/>One of the great uniting forces in this world is hatred and derision against "whores." Ace's crowd doesn't even note the similarities between themselves and the Muslim hackers. <BR/><BR/>Their argument is, "but we don't hack your website! We just dehumanize you!" They don't understand the power of language and they never will. Of course, it is true that militant Islam often takes a violent form... just like militant Christianity does (remember Jerry Falwell's gleeful support of the Iraq war? How many innocent people have died since that debacle started, eh). <BR/><BR/>Having said all that, I'm sorry about what you're going through, guys.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8385392963347857134.post-66367579426683063322008-05-20T05:24:00.000-05:002008-05-20T05:24:00.000-05:00IACB,Agreed on all points, out of character as tha...IACB,<BR/><BR/>Agreed on all points, out of character as that may seem.<BR/><BR/>These guys don't live in the same country we do. They live in one of their own invention that can do no wrong while everyone else can do no right.<BR/><BR/>Nativists, racists and xenophobes, they've done everything imaginable to wreck this society over the past eight years and now they're the ones bitching the loudest about how bad they've got it. When they've lost their nothingj-down-mortgaged houses, their outsourced jobs and the smog-belching SUVs they can't afford to put gas in anymore, they'll be first in line for assistance from the government they've been trashing for two decades. Thanks to their own idiotic behavior every time they get near a voting booth, that assistance won't be available. It will have been handed over to their great heroes at Halliburton.<BR/><BR/>Well, we can sure count on these guys to make us safe from terrorists, that's for sure. They've demonstrated their clear understanding of the world so capably thus far.Ernest Greenehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14371385468484866133noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8385392963347857134.post-46731276257242664252008-05-20T04:08:00.000-05:002008-05-20T04:08:00.000-05:00My two cents –First, if most of the commentators o...My two cents –<BR/><BR/>First, if most of the commentators over at AOS HQ are in some way "libertarian", they sure as hell could have fooled me. They come across as a pretty intolerant bunch, and downright hateful and bigoted toward sex workers.<BR/><BR/>Second, the how-terrible-the-muslims-are line of argument as a blanket defense of the American right just does not cut it for me. Yes, conditions in the Muslim world are pretty bad, yes, as a religion, Islam seems even more mired in fundamentalism than Christianity. That doesn't change the fact that with in the context of American domestic politics, Islamists play next to no role, while Christian conservatives are very powerful and play a decidedly reactionary role. <BR/><BR/>The argument that if we don't all march in lockstep with the American right, the world will become dominated by Jihadists is fucking absurd, and reminds me more than a little of the old arguments conservatives used to use, claiming that world Communist domination was imminent, and civil rights, the counterculture, liberals, etc would surely weaken America's resistance to it. It was a bullshit argument then and its a bullshit argument now.iacbhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08267608319896053702noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8385392963347857134.post-4161642745609794272008-05-19T20:32:00.000-05:002008-05-19T20:32:00.000-05:00Kensington:Okay, you seem like a civil sort of per...Kensington:<BR/><BR/>Okay, you seem like a civil sort of person and I appreciate your sympathetic response to our situation. <BR/><BR/>As for the cost of membership at nina.com, it was and will remain $50 for three months - fifteen bucks a month, 'kay? And no automatic re-billing. We have deliberately kept the price low so more people could join. <BR/><BR/>Concerning your other points, I read enough on AOS to know it's not a Christian site per se. The guy actually believes in evolution! Fancy that. I'd say it's more a right-wing political site with cultural sympathies toward withe Christians. Satisfied? That's more even-handed than any description I read of my views over there. <BR/><BR/>My whole beef with the guy was that he completely misrepresented what I said to make his own point about the "cultural relativism" of the left. I'm not even a leftist and as you can see from the parts of my original post that I AGAIN repeated on this thread, my beef isn't with any one ideology or religion. It's with a certain mindset that finds it righteous to destroy the lives and livelihoods of others in the name of their own beliefs. <BR/><BR/>Have I now made this clear, or must we go over the subject-matter a few hundred more times before it sinks in?<BR/><BR/>Now, where you really wander off course is in your attempt to quantify this or that sort of crazed fanaticism on the basis of recent casualties. Abortion clinic bombings and doctor murders are statistically insignificant? Not if you're the victim, or if you're terrorized into abandoning your work or your beliefs for fear of becoming a victim. Ask the families of those killed and injured in these acts if they regard them as mythical.<BR/><BR/>And if you care to crack the historical record for a moment, I think you'll find that white Christians have done more than their share of killing over the course of time, in Europe, Asia, Latin America and Africa, always in the name of advancing Christian civilization of course. In fact, just during the reign of Mad King George, this country has killed at least twenty times as many Muslims, mostly civilians, as the number of Americans killed by a handful of hijackers on 9/11. <BR/><BR/>If you want to look closer to home for more examples, you might consider the tens of thousands of African-Americans (and the occasional Jew) lynched in this country by those fine, upstanding white Christians just in the past hundred years, right up to James Byrd. Ever heard of the KKK? Think there's any significant moral difference between them and the Taliban? If so, it's lost on me.<BR/><BR/>Oh, and let me not forget the genocide of Native Americans. Six million of them when the white man arrived on this continent. Six hundred thousand left today. That's a record Hitler would have admired.<BR/><BR/>And speaking of Hitler, to be far fairer to Christians and other religious types than they would be to me, I made it very clear in what I said at the outset and will say this part AGAIN as well that secular fanatics are every bit as lethal and contemptible as those acting in the name of religion. Nazism and communism managed to rack up death tolls competitive with those of every stripe of religious lunacy throughout history in just a single century. I let them have it too. <BR/><BR/>Go back to the original post and check out the individuals I singled out by name for special disdain. A pretty diverse lot in terms of race, religion, political orientation and point of origin. Should white Christians have been left out of that roster? History wouldn't support such an exclusion, would it?<BR/><BR/>I was, despite the grotesque distortion of what I actually said (not a word of which was quoted in Ace's smack, I noticed), quite even-handed in this matter, and that's what ticked him off. That I was "fair and balanced" in addressing myself to a broad range of evil zealots instead of just the ones he personally dislikes was more than the poor guy could stomach.<BR/><BR/>As for not getting one's head sawn off, judging by the juvenile hostility I've seen demonstrated over on that site, I'd say there are a couple of potential lynch-mob recruits to be found in that quarter as well. Careful of the company you keep. If you say or do the wrong thing, your head might not be all that safe either. <BR/><BR/>Now, I'm done exchanging fire on this deal. If you didn't notice, this site is dedicated to pro-porn activism. If I want to be hammered on, I'll go visit the precincts where your buddies hang out. If you want to come here and make your points politely as you have so far, you can expect them to be challenged, but you won't be unwelcome. However, neither will you be allowed to distract discussion from our primary concern, which is that threats to freedom of sexual expression must be opposed regardless of their source.<BR/><BR/>If you'd like to go back to AOS and tell your jolly comrades to quit calling my wife names and displaying their adolescent propensity for anatomical insults, and if anyone there listened to you, your spirited defense of these fine gentlemen might ring a bit less hollow. If right-wing pressure groups would quit trying to throw me in jail, your insistence, and Ace's, that y'all haven't done a thing to warrant my ire wouldn't be quite so preposterous. I'll be waiting for these events with eager anticipation.<BR/><BR/>Meantime, I need to get back to trying to restore what has been taken from us by the rotten little thugs who started this whole thing. And contrary to some of what's been posted here, I make no excuses for them of any kind and have no fear of telling them what I think of them. If they're planning on sawing off any heads, they'd be well advised to give this neighborhood a miss.<BR/><BR/>I have said before and will say again that I support the Second Amendment as well as the first. Not what you'd expect to hear from the cliche cardboard-cut-out liberal Ace tried to portray me as, is it?Ernest Greenehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14371385468484866133noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8385392963347857134.post-382645589908156232008-05-19T16:09:00.000-05:002008-05-19T16:09:00.000-05:00Two things, Ernest.1. Ace of Spades HQ is not a C...Two things, Ernest.<BR/><BR/>1. Ace of Spades HQ is not a Christian and/or fundamentalist site. It's pretty much libertarian on matters such as pr0n (and yes, Ernest, we know that it's really "porn," not "pr0n", "pr0n" is just an example of some fun harmless leet speak.), so all of your appeals of What Would Jesus Think are kind of beside the point. It's not a Jesus site.<BR/><BR/>2. The thing about abortion clinic bombers is that you can pretty much name them all on the fingers of your hand. Statistically speaking, it's a myth. It's so rare that equating them with not only the threat but the body count of modern day jihad is silly. But go ahead and focus on the Christers, Ernest. It won't be my head that gets sawn off.<BR/><BR/>Also, you encouraged some book reading. Excellent. Might I recommend Mark Steyn's "America Alone"? There's some real food for thought in there regarding who really deserves your ire. Give it a go!<BR/><BR/>Finally, it really does stink that Nina.com went down. I've long admired her work and still do. One thing, though: I've bought occasional memberships at a number of adult film star sites, from Rayveness to Michelle Lay, but never Nina.com. It's always just been a litle too pricey. Would $20 for one month really be all that bad, with maybe a 3-day trial for $10 or so?<BR/><BR/>Do what you like, but that's always been the threshold for me.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8385392963347857134.post-85821201829859046672008-05-19T14:25:00.000-05:002008-05-19T14:25:00.000-05:00Oh, and one more thing. To those who believe we ma...Oh, and one more thing. To those who believe we made up this whole incident as a publicity stunt, or deny that we have suffered previous attacks from right-wing Christians, I have electronic logs to prove otherwise. That these individuals were less effective than the cyber thugs in Turkey turned out to be on this occasion does not negate the truth told by those records.<BR/><BR/>This thing was no invention of ours. It has cost has thousands of dollars in lost revenues and recovery efforts so far, and will continue to do so for some while to come.<BR/><BR/>Meantime, I will provide no technical details of who did what. Why should we supply more ammunition to our enemies?<BR/><BR/>If you don't believe I'm being honest in this matter, that's your problem, not mine.Ernest Greenehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14371385468484866133noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8385392963347857134.post-53297861020401405052008-05-19T14:22:00.000-05:002008-05-19T14:22:00.000-05:00I'll say it again. The Christian right has been in...I'll say it again. The Christian right has been instrumental in lobbying the DOJ to pursue legal action against pornographers, as a direct result of which some of us are facing the prospect of decades behind bars.<BR/><BR/>Christian right groups have also put pressure on state and local governments to shut down adult bookstores and strip clubs, levy confiscatory taxes on the sale of adult entertainment products, impose record-keeping regulations that are virtually impossible to meet and that carry fearsome criminal penalties for non-compliance. No group in this country has been more instrumental in the repression of what we do than Christian right activists from Focus on the Family to Concerned Women of America.<BR/><BR/>If, like those rather nice folks from the XXX Church, you simply wish to express your opposition to porn in the public square, that's what the public square is for and I have no objection. I merely disagree.<BR/><BR/>When you organize to put the squeeze on outfits like the Marriott hotel chain to take adult entertainment off in-room viewing systems and lobby Congress to expand existing laws against adult obscenity (deeply unconstitutional as those laws already are) you're not just expressing an opinion. All over America, Christian right preachers hammer their pulpits every Sunday demanding government action against "the scourge of pornography." Their intentions toward us are no less clear than those of Islamic fanatic hackers who hit us, or those of radfems who try to prevent us from speaking on college campuses. <BR/><BR/>These groups will also claim that all they mean to do is express their critical opinions, when their real agenda is our total elimination. <BR/><BR/>And as to the nonsense that only extremist Muslims commit acts of violence, I would point out that bombing abortion clinics and killing doctors are also acts of violence against which right-wing Christians somehow lose their voices when given the chance to speak out.<BR/><BR/>These are facts readily available to anyone who cares about facts, but as we've vividly seen demonstrated on this thread once again, facts matter little to those who act out of belief rather than reason.<BR/><BR/>No one who actively attempts to suppress freedom of expression gets a free pass here, regardless of his or her intentions. <BR/><BR/>Anyone who is content to express a point of view opposed to ours in a civil manner is welcome to do so in the many, many venues where those opinions are supported. If you've noticed the title of this blog, you can hardly expect a warm embrace of that POV here.<BR/><BR/>By trolling our space, especially in the vicious manner we've observed in the past 24 hours, given the hostility and ignorance, not to mention racism, sexism and just plain cruelty with which they have done so, hate-mongers who call themselves Christians have shown their true colors. They disgrace the better principles of their own faiths no less than do the actions of Islamic extremists or feminist anti-porn cultists. Calling people who disagree with you bigoted idiots and hurling vulgar insults about my wife's age, appearance or what she does for a living could safely be called un-Christian in the truest sense of the word.<BR/><BR/>I ask you to ask yourselves what Jesus would think of your behavior here and over at AOS HQ. Personally as I read his own words, I'm inclined to believe if he encountered the works done in his name by hateful fanatics, he'd be unable to keep from throwing up.Ernest Greenehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14371385468484866133noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8385392963347857134.post-51224881923089264742008-05-19T10:46:00.000-05:002008-05-19T10:46:00.000-05:00Reading some of the trolls here and the comments o...Reading some of the trolls here and the comments on Ace of Spades HQ (google it) – Wow, not the brightest bulbs in the pack, are they? <BR/><BR/>Clue to AOS folks wondering why "red state" conservatives get trashed so mercilessly – do you guys even read your own hateful swill? Ever stop for a minute and think about the impression the level of hate and stupidity posted on sites like AOS and Free Republic make for those of us who aren't in the far-right echo chamber?<BR/><BR/>Singling out Christians? Um, no – first, I think you missed the part about Christian <I>fundamentalists</I>. There's a difference – look it up. Second, there's a whole crowd of "radical feminists" who are convinced this blog was created to single them out. With so many varieties of fundie feeling "singled out", perhaps that means we're being pretty even-handed.iacbhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08267608319896053702noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8385392963347857134.post-13256649573363347322008-05-19T08:40:00.000-05:002008-05-19T08:40:00.000-05:00Seems pretty simple to me. These guys think of Chr...Seems pretty simple to me. These guys think of Christians as enemies because they are on principle opposed to porn (even if that principle doesn't mean they actively go after porn producers in any way.) Therefore, every opportunity to attack their perceived enemy is taken. <BR/><BR/>Fear is as fear does.<BR/><BR/>Sorry you guys got hacked by a Islamic terrorist dude. Hopefully you get some justice out of this.Ephrem Antony Grayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00032465992619034619noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8385392963347857134.post-78028051820666785402008-05-19T05:35:00.000-05:002008-05-19T05:35:00.000-05:00Ahem- Zimiri, Anony...Welcome to Our House. Here...Ahem- Zimiri, Anony...<BR/><BR/>Welcome to Our House. <BR/><BR/>Here's the deal. The Christian Right, for the most part, has no love or use for people in the porn industry. Yes, on this occasion, the strife comes from Islamic fundies....but do you honestly think other strife has not come from Christians? Oh my, you would be wrong, wrong, wrong. In fact, look over there in the link column labled "Them"...educate yoursselves.Renegade Evolutionhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17905949172886730262noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8385392963347857134.post-76363686208037361472008-05-19T02:02:00.000-05:002008-05-19T02:02:00.000-05:00Fair enough.I reserve my right to use my own space...Fair enough.<BR/><BR/>I reserve my right to use my own space to smack down these fools...but I respect other people's spaces.<BR/><BR/>Besides, Ren's boots are so much better for kicking drive-by BS artists into geosynchonous orbit, anyway.<BR/><BR/>Onward and forward, I say.<BR/><BR/><BR/>AnthonyAnthony Kennersonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00103420620416144653noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8385392963347857134.post-65405937742496421392008-05-19T01:56:00.000-05:002008-05-19T01:56:00.000-05:00Okay, enough.I've said everything I have to say to...Okay, enough.<BR/><BR/>I've said everything I have to say to trolls and I don't give a skinny rat's ass what they say in response on their own sites, or on the walls of mens' room stalls for that matter. <BR/><BR/>The facts speak for themselves and no amount of mud-slinging can obscure the historical record. <BR/><BR/>From here on, I suggest ignoring passing vandals. If they become too obnoxious, well, that's what the little trash-can icon is for. <BR/><BR/>Otherwise, if anyone has something constructive to add, I'll look forward to reading it.Ernest Greenehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14371385468484866133noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8385392963347857134.post-70870642976600290012008-05-19T01:43:00.000-05:002008-05-19T01:43:00.000-05:00Sounds to me, Anony, (could that be you, Anesis???...Sounds to me, Anony, (could that be you, Anesis??? Long time no rap!!) like you're the one having the most fun in attempting to slander all practicing Muslims for the act of a couple of extremist punks. None of us here have even mentioned the Catholic Church, let alone Mormons or most Christians, as the source of attacks.<BR/><BR/>And gee.....if they happened to be Christians or radicalfeminists who hacked Nina's site, then would you even be here trolling???<BR/><BR/>(Don't answer that...ByrdBrain might be listening....)<BR/><BR/><BR/>AnthonyAnthony Kennersonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00103420620416144653noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8385392963347857134.post-17593314518043526442008-05-19T01:37:00.000-05:002008-05-19T01:37:00.000-05:00Wow, this didn't take long, did it? And people won...Wow, this didn't take long, did it? And people wonder why I'm not in a mighty rush to go back to fielding moronic bullshit from cowards and fools as a hobby.<BR/><BR/>I'm going to go back and answer the anonymous individual who is so scared he won't even put a screen name up here just this once. <BR/><BR/>Okay, first things first. You're pal Ace was the one who took what I said 100% out of context to prove his piss-poor attempt at a point by conveniently overlooking what appeared on either side of what he claims Nina said (never being one to let mere facts interfere with The Truth, he couldn't be bothered to properly attribute the remarks he distorted).<BR/><BR/>Here's what Zimri correctly quoted me as saying:<BR/><BR/>"The unpleasant fact remains that the hate they feel for Nina and all she believes is shared in equal measure among right-wing Christian evangelicals, left-wing anti-porn feminists and their fellow Islamic fundamentalist fanatics all around the world."<BR/><BR/>Here's the part he left out:<BR/><BR/>"And thus it is that the real tests of moral courage, which are all about individual judgments, are failed by true believers again and again. Members of the Christian right, even if they find its conduct deplorable, will not speak out against Operation Rescue. American leftists were silent through a generation of communism's crimes against humanity from the crushing of the Hungarian uprising in 1956 right up to the Khmer Rouge auto-genocide of 1975. Today they won't speak out against the human rights abuses of the Taliban for fear of being perceived as racist. Christian evangelicals support the militant settlers on the West Bank, and the Likudniks accept that support without a blink, even though they know full well that these wonderful, new allies of theirs embrace religious teachings that require all Jews to ultimately convert or be damned. "<BR/><BR/>In other words, I gave the finger to all murderous fanatics and their apologists with equal sincerity. Over at Ace's site they seemed to be making a big deal, in between posting more vile insults regarding my wife's appearance and other real grown-up stuff, about how liberals and leftists pick on poor right-wing Christians because calling out Islamic extremists is just too dangerous. As if no one who calls himself Christian ever committed homicide in the name of his god. Read a book, fellas. A history book might be a good start.<BR/><BR/>It's like unto like with the haters and killers of this world and always has been. Most of us just want to be left in peace, but that can never happen for as long as there are those who deeply believe that the existence of an opposing opinion constitutes an unacceptable threat to all they hold holy. I'm not surprised to find any of the groups I mentioned a bit touchy on this subject. Given the record, they all have a lot to be touchy about.<BR/><BR/>Meantime, as I am now a mod over here, I will continue to delete personal digs at Nina and adolescent crap of the sort flung in our direction regardless of where it originates. <BR/><BR/>But I do want the record set straight. I did not single out Christians, Muslims, Jews or even leftists and rightists per se. I addressed myself specifically to those who harm others in the name of their own beliefs. When it comes to them, what I feel is contempt, not fear. <BR/><BR/>Oh, and as for the drive-by threat about alienating our viewers and us therefore being unable to make a living? That's a good one. I guess we'll just have to get by without the trade of porn (and that's how it's spelled, BTW, not "pron")-loving religious and political extremists. I know they make up a large percentage of our key demographic, but I'm sure we'll manage somehow.<BR/><BR/>Next contestant.Ernest Greenehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14371385468484866133noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8385392963347857134.post-41962963130556607192008-05-19T01:33:00.000-05:002008-05-19T01:33:00.000-05:00it's a lot more safe (and fun) to get on your high...it's a lot more safe (and fun) to get on your high horse and rail against (a) Christian fundies or (b) the Catholic church or (c) Mormons, than it is to provoke (d) psycho Islamic death cult murdering jihadists.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8385392963347857134.post-75700276011729549282008-05-19T01:30:00.000-05:002008-05-19T01:30:00.000-05:00Oh, please, Zimri and Anony (if in fact you are no...Oh, please, Zimri and Anony (if in fact you are not the same sockpuppet)....spare us the bullshit.<BR/><BR/>Attacking the "sexual left" as being unable to join your assumed campaign against "Jihadists" tends to avoid the fact that Christian fundamentalists aren't exactly so kind to Nina and her sex-positive progressive vision, either.<BR/><BR/>And how nice of you to point out that your "culture" allows sex positives like Nina and Ernest "room to roam without stoning", quite unlike the evil "Jihadists" Muslims whom you think we should all exterminate out of the face of the earth. <BR/><BR/>Nice try, fool, but most of us who are actually based in reality know the difference between practicing Muslims who merely wish to exercise their faith in peace, and those extremists who wish impose their myopic and fascistic views on others under threat of death or coercion. Trust me on this one....Islam has no monopoly whatsoever on the subject of sexual bigotry and fundamentalism.<BR/><BR/>Oh....and on the subject of the supposed free ride that some on the Left allegedly give fundamentalist Islam: yeah, you could say that for one or two activists and some personalities. On the other hand, you have far more rightists who are more than willing to mask their attacks on "Jihadism" with backhanded support of their regime of suppression against secularists, feminists, and other sexual heretics and dissidents.....as if the former are more than a bit jealous of the fact that fundamentalist Islamicists can get away with the kind of severe repression that Christians would love to adopt. (In fact, Christians have adopted all that and much worse forms of repression...so I guess that they shouldn't be talking any smack about their supposed superiority anywhere.<BR/><BR/>Only thing you remind me of, Z, is the old school racist who pleads that Black folk should be very happy about slavery in the United States because it introduced them to the virtues of this country. Yeah, right....as if the forced servitude of Black folk was justified to begin with. <BR/><BR/>Take your shit elsewhere, because Little Green Batturds aren't playing here. <BR/><BR/>Oh, and one last thing: Nina Hartley is independent and competent enough as a sexual performer and a woman that she does not need the likes of you to lecture her or her fans on her ideology. Besides, I thought that it was just her ass that got you to sign up. If you don't like her ideology and personal beliefs.....well, there are other girls. <BR/><BR/><BR/>AnthonyAnthony Kennersonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00103420620416144653noreply@blogger.com