tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8385392963347857134.post3612881488432070253..comments2023-10-23T09:51:37.441-05:00Comments on Blog of Pro-Porn Activism: New Federal anti-sex work legislation passes HouseRenegade Evolutionhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17905949172886730262noreply@blogger.comBlogger10125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8385392963347857134.post-45641797588701899392008-01-15T11:58:00.000-06:002008-01-15T11:58:00.000-06:00One last thing. Mr. Greene, I am always willing to...One last thing. Mr. Greene, I am always willing to take your word on it because you are from the industry. The "outsiders" who claim to know but don't have got to go. And thank you for your insight and activism through the years!Lisa Roellighttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11655579836347135927noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8385392963347857134.post-9197366930672775702008-01-15T11:49:00.000-06:002008-01-15T11:49:00.000-06:00Greetings, so late to comment on this post. My apo...Greetings, so late to comment on this post. My apologies for being late but the discourse of the "Swedish Model," the use of M. Farley research statistics etc. I can not resist to comment. First some history.<BR/>The concept of the "Swedish Model" (arrest the men/our clients)actually originated here in San Francisco as "The John's School." For the City and County of San Francisco this is a “fundraiser." The fundraiser is the First Offenders Prostitution Program (FOPP)and is initiated by San Francisco Police vice department who earn time and half to operate at least 8 sting operations a year on workers and customers to make sure there are enough participants that qualify to attend the FOPP. The San Francisco District Attorney’s office contracts with the The SAGE Project, Inc to run the shame based, sex negitive program where all three organizations receive proceeds from the participants as well as federal funding from the United States Department of Justice and United States Department of Health and Human Services. This is how the fundraising works.<BR/><BR/>A man drives down O’Farrell Street looking for a date. The man pulls his car over and arranges for a forty dollar date with a woman he obviously doesn’t know is a decoy cop and the next thing he knows he is being arrested for soliciting prostitution. The man is now told by the San Francisco Police that he can make a deal with District Attorney’s office. By waving his right to due process, the charges will not be persued if he will now pay one thousand dollars to attend the First Offenders Prostitution Program, also known as the “John’s School.” <BR/><BR/> If he pays the money, attends the “John’s School” and promises never to solicit a prostitute again, the charge will be taken off his record, his wife won’t find out and I assume neither will his next employer, when he applies for a job. He is told that the money will go to a program “to help prostituted women.” The money really gets split up between the San Francisco District Attorney, the San Francisco Police Department and the SAGE Project, Inc. The SAGE Project, Inc. is the program claiming to “help the prostituted women” with job training and education for women leaving prostitution but really it doesn’t do any of that. The SAGE Project, Inc. is also host of the “John’s School” which the man has just been coerced to paying a thousand dollars to attend. It’s really more of a shake down.<BR/><BR/>The San Francisco Police Department spends somewhere around fifteen million dollars a year enforcing prostitution laws. The FOPP was the so-called “progressive” brainchild of City and County officials and nonprofits who were kind of in a pickle. How could they continue getting their desperately needed funding off the criminalization of prostitution when most citizens were getting sympathetic to the prostitutes right not to be arrested? Arrest the men and make it a big public relations campaign (hoax) and because you really need the money, continue to arrest the women but call it “rescue” instead of arrest. Now the City and County of San Francisco can qualify for all that federal “anti-trafficking” money. <BR/><BR/>Criminalizing prostitution and clients of prostitution makes prostitutes less safe. Criminalized workers are not only more vulnerable to violence they are not likely to report violence after it happens. Arresting men for soliciting prostitution and forcing them to come up with one thousand dollars is having a severe impact on both the prostitutes and clients ability to pay their rent and feed their children. <BR/><BR/>San Francisco is home to many of the largest war profiteers, who get away with profiting off of an illegal war each and every day. Meanwhile the City and County of San Francisco are arresting men and women for adult consensual sex. The City and County of San Francisco should be arresting men for making bombs not buying blowjobs. <BR/>Melissa Farley is the so-called researcher/police state collaborator, who provides the lies/fodder to keep us all criminalized. Her research has been disputed not only by actual sex workers but also from actual research scientists. She along with other anti-prostitution/anti-pornography agents have hijacked the sex trafficking issue and have joined forces with the religious right. Most disturbing is that they are creating this hysteria around forced labor in the sex industry to really further their abolishionist agenda by fooling well intentioned folks, who may have had little or no problem with adult consentual sex for money, into thinking we are all just all one big ball of wax sex slaves. <BR/>Further, their focus on the Asain Massage Parlor Worker here in San Francisco is partically racist. That Asian Sex Workers are waiting for their rescue furthers a stereotype of Asian Women as submissive and having no agency. Most important, the rescue of Asian massage Parlor Workers is really the raids, arrests,detention and deportation Of Asain Massage Parlor Workers. The Erotic Service Providers Union, Sex Workers Outreach Project and Californians for Privacy had the oppurtunity to confront Melissa Farley and Norma Hotaling (SAGE Founder) on the steps of San Francisco City Hall at an anti-sex, anti-worker, anti-immigrant rally last week billed as a "vigil to build awareness of sex trafficking and sex traffic victims." <BR/>This week we will be filing the petition for decriminalization of All Sex Work in the City and County of San Francisco. Our goal is to collect enough signatures to make the November election. I am very hopeful that the good people of San Francisco believe that it is about time. Any and all support from my Brothers and Sisters in the Porn Industry will be appreciated.<BR/>In Solidarity,<BR/>Lisa Roellig<BR/>Erotic Service Providers UnionLisa Roellighttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11655579836347135927noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8385392963347857134.post-80308380137811018852007-12-22T08:05:00.000-06:002007-12-22T08:05:00.000-06:00Hey all,If you’re looking for a great website with...Hey all,<BR/><BR/>If you’re looking for a great website with hot milfs and matures check out:<BR/><BR/>http://www.maturesmilfs.comAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8385392963347857134.post-18362352571262348322007-12-20T23:17:00.000-06:002007-12-20T23:17:00.000-06:00While we may reject arguments such as those of Ada...While we may reject arguments such as those of Adam and his friends (as the town of Northampton itself did recently (www.adultfyi.com/read.php?ID=25659), clearly the so-called "Swedish Solution" is a bad idea that has gained some traction in parts of Europe, most recently including the U.K. (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/politics/7153358.stm). Of course, like all other attempts at sex work prohibition, this "solution" solves nothing. It merely drives the trade underground and creates greater risk for sex workers. <BR/><BR/>And no, it doesn't work. But don't take my word for it. Check out what happened when this really, really bad concept was given a try down under:<BR/> www.news.com.au/mercury/story/0,22884,22952777-5007221,00.html<BR/><BR/>Of course, those who advocate such things really don't care at all about sex-workers, though they delight in wringing their hands over the misery and degradation that must ever and always accompany such activities, regardless of the circumstances. <BR/><BR/>What they do care about is pursuing a fanatical anti-sex-work and anti-porn agenda at all costs, including the lives of women. In fact, any harm-reduction model that makes things better for sex workers disrupts that agenda, which is why APFs willingly get in bed with the most heinous of reactionaries (while dismissing any such affiliation as a red herring or a straw man or whatever) to support this kind of reactionary legislation. <BR/><BR/>While Adam claims he doesn't want to see sex workers punished, his proposed alternative to this ugly piece of legislation is just as punitive by different means.Ernest Greenehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14371385468484866133noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8385392963347857134.post-87857085009710593832007-12-12T01:12:00.000-06:002007-12-12T01:12:00.000-06:00What Anthony said.Still trying to win arguments wi...What Anthony said.<BR/><BR/>Still trying to win arguments with that string of boilerplate, eh Adam?<BR/><BR/>No such thing as consensual sex work? That's a pretty tall statement – what about the statements by many sex workers that they're doing sex work consensually and without duress? You can debate what percentage of the sex industry that is (though, for the record, I don't consider Melissa Farley to be a credible researcher and think her oft-repeated "90%" doesn't hold much water), but you don't get to write off the entire existence of consensual sex work just because it doesn't happen to agree with your ideology.<BR/><BR/>And I challenge you to prove that Swedish criminalization of johns has had any practical effect that's any different from American criminalization of johns and sex workers. Both have simply driven prostitution off the streets and indoors. Google 'escort and stockholm' sometime and you'll see how easy it is to find a prostitute in Sweden's capital if one were looking for one.<BR/><BR/>Criminalization in both countries has gone a long way toward impeding practical efforts at harm reduction, however. I'd hardly call that "working".iacbhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08267608319896053702noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8385392963347857134.post-38020601607517889012007-12-11T20:41:00.000-06:002007-12-11T20:41:00.000-06:00To speak of "consensual sex work" is, for the most...<I>To speak of "consensual sex work" is, for the most part, absurd. Whether it's interviews in Nevada's legal brothels or studies of prostitutes from around the world, 80-90% of these "workers" say they want to get out. Poverty, addiction, isolation, past abuse, social prejudice, and sheer violence from pimps and madams are among the factors holding them back.<BR/><BR/>I agree, however, that prostitutes should not be punished--the pimps and johns should. That's how they do it now in Sweden, and it works well.</I><BR/><BR/><BR/>Ahhh, Adam, are you off your meds again??<BR/><BR/>We've been through this countless times about the "Swedish model": how it DOES punish sex workers by deny them their right to existence; how it reinforces the most negative sexual ideologies and common assumptions about sex workers and their clients; and how it funnels resources away from much more effective harm prevention methods and labor protections for sex workers and their clients.<BR/><BR/>And no, Adam, quoting Melissa Fairley's trumpted up stats of "85% of 'prostituted women' say they want to get out" won't work here, either; we've been there and rejected that a long time ago.<BR/><BR/>Consensual sex work does exist, in spite of your efforts to deny it. Better to legalize it and work to protect both client and worker with decent labor and health protections, than to continue this game of denial.<BR/><BR/><BR/>AnthonyAnthony Kennersonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00103420620416144653noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8385392963347857134.post-82067557663441274562007-12-11T19:40:00.000-06:002007-12-11T19:40:00.000-06:00To speak of "consensual sex work" is, for the most...To speak of "consensual sex work" is, for the most part, absurd. Whether it's interviews in Nevada's legal brothels or studies of prostitutes from around the world, 80-90% of these "workers" say they want to get out. Poverty, addiction, isolation, past abuse, social prejudice, and sheer violence from pimps and madams are among the factors holding them back.<BR/><BR/>I agree, however, that prostitutes should not be punished--the pimps and johns should. That's how they do it now in <A HREF="http://nopornnorthampton.org/2007/10/08/swedens-dramatic-success-in-ameliorating-prostitution.aspx" REL="nofollow">Sweden</A>, and it works well.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8385392963347857134.post-11970623380329679472007-12-11T17:20:00.000-06:002007-12-11T17:20:00.000-06:00I'm wondering if perhaps it's easier for this admi...I'm wondering if perhaps it's easier for this administration to figure out (or strictly define) the legal status of women than men. Something the feminists who have made Bush their ally should really think about.<BR/><BR/>XXAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8385392963347857134.post-67581835371072040782007-12-10T18:49:00.000-06:002007-12-10T18:49:00.000-06:00Incidentally, the House vote belies any notion tha...Incidentally, the House vote belies any notion that Congressional Democrats are less susceptible to abolitionist ideas than Republicans. It was:<BR/><BR/>Dem. 222 for, 0 against, 10 not voting<BR/>Rep. 183 for, 2 against, 14 not votingAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8385392963347857134.post-83323787005381969382007-12-10T04:36:00.000-06:002007-12-10T04:36:00.000-06:00Went to the bill at frwebgate.access.gpo.gov. 126 ...Went to the bill at frwebgate.access.gpo.gov. 126 pages is more than I want to read at the moment.<BR/><BR/>I did find the "Sex Tourism" Section beginning on page 69.<BR/><BR/>Putting sex workers in prison for ten years makes the whole bill look like a sham.<BR/><BR/>Thanks for the heads up.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com