tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8385392963347857134.post5717508022839848902..comments2023-10-23T09:51:37.441-05:00Comments on Blog of Pro-Porn Activism: Annie Sprinkle and Mae Tyme talk pornRenegade Evolutionhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17905949172886730262noreply@blogger.comBlogger11125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8385392963347857134.post-7464684050732126632008-05-08T00:34:00.000-05:002008-05-08T00:34:00.000-05:00yes that's a good idea...................SuvinWow,...yes that's a good idea<BR/><BR/>...................<BR/>Suvin<BR/><BR/>Wow, check out this site called <A HREF="www.fluc.com" REL="nofollow">www.fluc.com</A><BR/>. Free SMS and free mobile ads!! Its fantasticAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8385392963347857134.post-63675698466574666082007-07-16T09:43:00.000-05:002007-07-16T09:43:00.000-05:00See also this IBlameThePatriarchy Forum discussion...See also <A HREF="http://easypersiflage.com/blameforum/index.php?topic=523.0" REL="nofollow">this IBlameThePatriarchy Forum discussion</A>.<BR/><BR/>I don't think there's a "consensus" kind of sexually explicit material that "all feminists can agree on". Its clear that at least some won't abide by the existance of any, period.iacbhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08267608319896053702noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8385392963347857134.post-83415094426295943712007-07-14T21:58:00.000-05:002007-07-14T21:58:00.000-05:00oh yes and: i love how the poster who kept pointed...oh yes and: i love how the poster who kept pointedly asking her ARE THERE ANY QUEERS ON YOUR PLANET, DELPHYNE? never did get an answer. which, i guess -is- the answer.belledame222https://www.blogger.com/profile/13947289856453172848noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8385392963347857134.post-84151740080315497562007-07-14T21:57:00.000-05:002007-07-14T21:57:00.000-05:00couple that with the whole, men are men and women ...couple that with the whole, men are men and women are women! genitals are for procreation! except for the clitoris, that's for fun, winkie winkie (shudder); and, you know, except for actually saying the word "clitoris" and the British accent she could be my incredibly annoying fundamentalist college dorm-mate, who was -very- exercised about all things too sexual, but simultaneously hooted and giggled over such things as "Big Stick" (popsicles). OO ER MISSUS.<BR/><BR/>gawd.belledame222https://www.blogger.com/profile/13947289856453172848noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8385392963347857134.post-68810275502539592562007-07-13T21:08:00.000-05:002007-07-13T21:08:00.000-05:00"Wow, she REALLY said that. And she was totally SE..."Wow, she REALLY said that. And she was totally SERIOUS."<BR/><BR/>Yeah, y feeling as well.Trinityhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06846032433424879965noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8385392963347857134.post-62439222570668822232007-07-13T17:49:00.000-05:002007-07-13T17:49:00.000-05:00I still stare in awe and disbelief whenever I see ...I still stare in awe and disbelief whenever I see that bit from delphyne. It's like... "Wow, she REALLY said that. And she was totally SERIOUS."Amber Rheahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02109708537597646450noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8385392963347857134.post-8555692623369679442007-07-13T16:55:00.000-05:002007-07-13T16:55:00.000-05:00i mean:“I don’t get off on degrading my girlfriend...i mean:<BR/><BR/><I>“I don’t get off on degrading my girlfriend, unless you think her nudity degrades her.”<BR/><BR/>Your sexualisation and objectification (i.e. taking pictures of her to masturbate over) degrades her. It lessens her humanity. Instead of simply enjoying a direct relationship with her you mediate it with photography which you then sexually fetishize.</I><BR/><BR/>and<BR/><BR/><I><BR/><BR/>1)Any porn that features a woman sexually is degrading.<BR/><BR/>Using a human’s being’s body for someone else’s sexual pleasure is degrading, in the same way that using someone is a slave is degrading. Not tautologous.<BR/><BR/>2)No pro-porn people can come up with porn that doesn’t feature a woman sexually.<BR/><BR/>They haven’t done so far, and there has been a HUGE amount of opportunity on this thread. So I’d say that was a fact.<BR/><BR/>3)Porn is misogynistic and any porn user is a misogynist.<BR/><BR/>Yup. In the same way that someone who reads racist hate literature for pleasure is a racist.<BR/><BR/>You don’t understand the concept of a tautology.</I>belledame222https://www.blogger.com/profile/13947289856453172848noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8385392963347857134.post-40097634528062333932007-07-13T16:38:00.000-05:002007-07-13T16:38:00.000-05:00but iacb is right: that's EXACTLY what Jack is tal...but iacb is right: that's EXACTLY what Jack is talking about there (except for he's an ev0l male i guess; then again delphyne is an ev0l het, not that i suppose that'd stop her weighing in on what is and isn't okay for lesbian couples as well), and delphyne, well...was delphyne.<BR/><BR/>i mean, there's another woman in that circle who was questioning herself even as she photographed <I>flowers</I>; objectifying, you see. these people are fanatics. they're way in the minority, but boy do they ever leave an impression.belledame222https://www.blogger.com/profile/13947289856453172848noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8385392963347857134.post-69003042610582765592007-07-13T12:59:00.000-05:002007-07-13T12:59:00.000-05:00Except that it isn't "Something All Feminists Can ...<I>Except that it isn't "Something All Feminists Can Agree On". I have seen it argued by some of the more hardcore radfems that any imagery made of a woman for the sexual stimulation of a man is inherently objectifying and degrading, no matter what the context – even if the two are partners.</I><BR/><BR/>Well, Tyme's homemade porn was made by her and her female lover, for the two of them exclusively. I wonder if that's why it doesn't count as objectifying and degrading.Amber Rheahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02109708537597646450noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8385392963347857134.post-25130050156939700092007-07-13T12:50:00.000-05:002007-07-13T12:50:00.000-05:00Except that it isn't "Something All Feminists Can ...Except that it isn't "Something All Feminists Can Agree On". I have seen it argued by some of the more hardcore radfems that <I>any</I> imagery made of a woman for the sexual stimulation of a man is inherently objectifying and degrading, no matter what the context – even if the two are partners. For an illustration of this mentality, check out the exhange between Jack Goff and Delphyne, starting <A HREF="http://pandagon.net/2006/10/05/well-the-worm-can-was-just-sitting-there-next-to-the-can-opener/#comment-210927" REL="nofollow">here</A>.iacbhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08267608319896053702noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8385392963347857134.post-11127908148909041142007-07-13T11:50:00.000-05:002007-07-13T11:50:00.000-05:00I love that article. What really stuns me about i...I love that article. What really stuns me about it is Mae Tyme's admission that she's made porn herself. It's like, there I see the tormented ghost of Something All Feminists Can Agree On, which is that it's not the act of filming or illustrating sex that's the problem (if you think it is a problem) with mainstream porn, but the *content*.thenehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11851538869806389235noreply@blogger.com