tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8385392963347857134.post7576564241824206432..comments2023-10-23T09:51:37.441-05:00Comments on Blog of Pro-Porn Activism: A bit of levity...Renegade Evolutionhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17905949172886730262noreply@blogger.comBlogger10125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8385392963347857134.post-40525120948608232922007-07-14T19:56:00.000-05:002007-07-14T19:56:00.000-05:00well, and i expect that that's what the Wheelock c...well, and i expect that that's what the Wheelock conf and all that is supposed to be about: finding ways to update the literature so that it's relevant to the 'Net generation.belledame222https://www.blogger.com/profile/13947289856453172848noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8385392963347857134.post-73921979948376309532007-07-14T19:02:00.000-05:002007-07-14T19:02:00.000-05:00Aaron said:"Is there anything out there that's rem...<B>Aaron said</B>:<BR/><BR/><I>"Is there anything out there that's remotely modern, at least enough so that it might have a chance of describing someone like me or some other male member of my age cohort? I mean, I don't want to say that all that literature is crap, because I don't think it is. But none of it's talkin' 'bout my generation, you know?"</I><BR/><BR/>Eh? I don't think men, on the whole, have changed all that much since 1986. Keep in mind, overall change in social mores, lifestyles, etc, has changed a hell of a lot less from 1985–2005 than it had from 1965–1985.<BR/><BR/>Not that I think the studies that are quoted by Diana Russell were terribly accurate to begin with and I don't put much stock in the idea that these studies represent an accurate picture of an earlier generation.<BR/><BR/>I think the biggest difference, when it comes to porn, is that with the internet, porn, especially hardcore porn, is now way more accessible than it once was. There's a lot of panic over that, but I'm not so convinced its going to be the overwhelming disaster that people make it out to be.iacbhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08267608319896053702noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8385392963347857134.post-87483701989686148412007-07-14T18:35:00.000-05:002007-07-14T18:35:00.000-05:00"And most of the other hard-core radfem literature..."And most of the other hard-core radfem literature seems to be roughly contemporaneous with it."<BR/><BR/>Yeah. But the thing is that feminist anti-porners are still <A HREF="http://www.oneangrygirl.net/antiporn.html" REL="nofollow">linking </A> to it, citing it, recommending it, etc.<BR/><BR/>It's undead, given second life by these folks really.Trinityhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06846032433424879965noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8385392963347857134.post-3934741108547893962007-07-14T17:13:00.000-05:002007-07-14T17:13:00.000-05:00aaron: the book "Pornified" has fairly recent dat...aaron: the book "Pornified" has fairly recent data.Renegade Evolutionhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17905949172886730262noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8385392963347857134.post-77285826091774652852007-07-14T14:09:00.000-05:002007-07-14T14:09:00.000-05:00So...okay. I'm reading Russell, and I'm seeing cit...So...okay. I'm reading Russell, and I'm seeing cites from 1975, 1979, 1980, 1981, 1985 -- nothing newer, as far as I can tell, than 1986. And most of the other hard-core radfem literature seems to be roughly contemporaneous with it.<BR/><BR/>Which is fine, but: I was four years old in 1986.<BR/><BR/>Is there anything out there that's remotely modern, at least enough so that it might have a chance of describing someone like me or some other male member of my age cohort? I mean, I don't want to say that all that literature is crap, because I don't think it is. But none of it's talkin' 'bout my generation, you know?<BR/><BR/>-- Aaron (aaron@acephalo.us)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8385392963347857134.post-50703480220494699112007-07-14T13:12:00.000-05:002007-07-14T13:12:00.000-05:00I've got a bunch of links to anti-porn groups, mos...I've got a bunch of links to anti-porn groups, mostly right-wing, that I'll send to Ren to put on the sidebar. <BR/><BR/>Right now, they're saved links – still need to compile them into a list. I'll do this later today.iacbhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08267608319896053702noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8385392963347857134.post-32619708240660711482007-07-14T09:50:00.000-05:002007-07-14T09:50:00.000-05:00and, this is where you'd -really- get a lot more c...and, this is where you'd -really- get a lot more connection with various lbgt rights groups as well as fringier sexual minorities (kink, poly, etc): we ALL are threatened by these people.belledame222https://www.blogger.com/profile/13947289856453172848noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8385392963347857134.post-28206496498389205342007-07-14T09:47:00.000-05:002007-07-14T09:47:00.000-05:00off topic, but I wonder if y'all'd be interested i...off topic, but I wonder if y'all'd be interested in covering the rightwingers excuse me "family-oriented" groups a bit more, too. or put in the sidebar (hey, they're still in the anti-porn site sidebar, although i noticed, when i went to get the links, that she's moved those links off the front page post wrt recommended websites, under "100 things to do." hi, person! hi!) <A HREF="http://citizensap.org/" REL="nofollow">Citizens Against Pornography</A>.<BR/><BR/><A HREF="http://www.obscenitycrimes.org/" REL="nofollow">Obscenity Crimes Org</A> ("Morality in Media")<BR/><BR/><A HREF="http://www.nationallawcenter.org/" REL="nofollow">National Law Center for Children and Families</A><BR/><BR/>Yeah, it's a lot more obvious to point out where we don't agree there; but, it'd be good, i think, to pinpoint their tactics and especially what they've accomplished. they're the ones with more clout at the end of the day, and i expect more funding.<BR/><BR/>plus, to me theocratic atuhoritarianism is the bottom line: some of the feminist groups may be going lalala problem? what problem? when it comes to these people, but i think it'd still behoove to focus on the root of the problem. also a good way to hook up with other sympathetic progressive/anti-fascist (yeah, i used the word) folks. strength in numbers and all that.belledame222https://www.blogger.com/profile/13947289856453172848noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8385392963347857134.post-21927113605806438802007-07-14T09:02:00.000-05:002007-07-14T09:02:00.000-05:00"why do they always beg the question? "well, why d..."why do they always beg the question? "well, why don't women?" um, they do, actually."<BR/><BR/>*scary music*<BR/>I AM YOUR ANTIFEMINIST APOCALYPSE<BR/>*scary music*<BR/><BR/>hee.<BR/><BR/>yeah.Trinityhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06846032433424879965noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8385392963347857134.post-81354929920834347602007-07-14T00:34:00.000-05:002007-07-14T00:34:00.000-05:00eyeroll. why do they always beg the question? "we...eyeroll. <BR/><BR/>why do they always beg the question? "well, why don't women?" um, they do, actually. and yeah, with the extra-sordid/ishy. yes, that is what ALL porn is about: extreme torture and mutilation. oh no wait; actually that would be more like <I>Hostel.</I> and it apparently -does- involve men being brutally tortured. too. and it's still a misogynist, misanthropic, reactionary POS, according to many. (i'm taking their word for it; i can't watch that shit). <BR/><BR/>and you were going to go out there and start campaigning against that, when?<BR/><BR/>or, I don't know, ACTUAL TORTURE GOING ON RIGHT NOW?belledame222https://www.blogger.com/profile/13947289856453172848noreply@blogger.com